Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Nope. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. I forget her name. Dude’s absolutely broken. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. 6. 7: Old Lord Thanos. 1. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. Forum Posts. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. 5 years ago. R2: God stomps. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. "Now now thats not true. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. That's all there is to it. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. #11. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. g. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. 0. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. show 3 replies . The level is set when. • 1 year ago. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. 3 years ago deactivated-5f5be9e305dddThe Beyonder represents a power beyond all of them. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. Shaper of Worlds and every other variation of the Cosmic Cubes are consistently stated in handbooks to have that level of power. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Super Power Score and Level. But, that was in regard to a. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. #3 JohanLiebert123. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. 3. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. . @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Quantu. " Classic Beyonder would defeat COIE Anti Monitor and Spectre ( at Peak. #1. Phoenix Taaia 26. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. -. 6 years ago. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Jan 29, 2017. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. Hajun via feats and implied power. ago. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. • 1 year ago. So by this admission, he described Beyonder. 1. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. New posts. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Multi-Oblivion 22. who universe. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. so that places a limit on his power. The Two fight in the beyond realm. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. . @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. Lucifer Morningstar. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". . The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. Fixes Beyonder's Multiverse-Wide Destruction. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. 9 years ago. 9. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. But, that was in regard to a. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. 2. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. No prep and no knowledge. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. Loki God Of Stories 17. Forum Posts. 4,859 4,632. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. Forum Posts. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Follow 3300. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. 7: Old Lord Thanos. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Team 1 wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. 11. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. . As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. Fight till death. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. ProfessorRespect. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Follow 3300. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. #11. Wiki Points. Master-Tee • 2 yr. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. And he loses. -. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Spectre. 10 years ago. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. Pre retcon Beyonder isn't aware of doctor strange. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Prep isn’t an instant win and Rick got bodied by some below wall level guys even with prep. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. Business, Economics, and Finance. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Pre-retcon Molecule Man. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Withstanding attacks that can atomize dimensions is a pretty crazy feat. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Super Power Score and Level. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. His book alone has all. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. ) No fan. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Nov 6, 2017. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. 1. Pre-retcon Beyonder. ago. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. . On page, on screen, on panel feats. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. But it wont be easy by no means. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Even The. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. 7 years ago. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is capable of granting any wishes,. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. #5. Apr 8, 2018. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. Business, Economics, and Finance. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. I will need to have cited evidence for. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. 7 years ago. Super Power Score and Level. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Beyonder 73%. Lucifer is a different beast. Forum Posts. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Mr. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. . Classic Doctor Strange has 3 months of prep. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Just checked, you're right, my bad. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. here are the rules. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Followers. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. rest. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. Doom took the Beyonder's powers for a while, even with the Infinity Gauntlet Adam Warlock started to show off about his new found Godhood. Jul 30, 2018. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Endless Mike. Also. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Fight takes place in current DC universe. Powers and Stats. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. 4 years. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. New Comics. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . Kuuko273. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. Preretcon Beyonder wins. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Origin: Marvel Comics. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. I want to see if Pre-Retcon Beyonder's category can actually last that long. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. Prepare for. bloodlisted. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. ago. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. -One. Beyonder needs some preparation. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. ago. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. He comes from outside the multiverse. King_Saturn. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. 0. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. Every hero on earth was totally useless against a flawed celestial patched together from bits and pieces of long dead ones. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Man, This a huge mismatch. CitizenSentry. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. And yeah he stomps. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Round 1: Pre Retcon. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. . Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. The Beyonder stomps. 8. RRPanther • 7 mo. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Reviews: 0. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Beyonder is either: A. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. 8 years ago. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. as strong as mxy was, he was nowhere near that level. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. #13 AgentofChaos1. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. Forum Posts.